410-412 vs. repeating 401


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410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby tanouye » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:50 pm

Hi,

I get a sense that more people re-take 401 than sign up for 410-412 courses, and I'm curious about why that is.

If you've opted to take one over the other, what was your reasoning? Was it scheduling? Did you want the shows that 401 includes? (You can reapply for Advanced Study after a 410-412 course.)

Would more people take 410-412 courses if they had a show? Are people not sure which one would help them most?

In theory, the 410-412 courses should be more useful since they're focused on a specific area that you may want to improve on rather than repeating some exercises and lessons you've already had if you took 401 previously.

But I'm not coming at it from the student perspective, so maybe there's a factor I'm not considering?
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby Dummonger » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:37 pm

I talked to a friend through his decision process after his first time not passing 401. He decided to retake 401, even though I suggest some 41x classes. Here were his decision-making factors:

1. Shows- He wanted the 3 vs. 0 shows on the UCB stage to get exposure/used to it.
2. Teacher- He wanted certain teachers (at the time he chose Will Hines) and didn't see any people he knew well teaching 41x classes.
And, most importantly:
3. Notes- The note he was given at the end of his 401 wasn't specific enough to refer him to a 41x class. Barring a specific one he was recommended to take, he didn't want to roll the dice taking a class that might not cause him to pass even though he did well in it.

Hope this is helpful (my passing experience was pre-41x classes but I think they are a good idea).
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby tanouye » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:44 pm

Very helpful, thanks!

I'd love to hear more feedback.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby cms0913 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:52 am

I'm not sure if this will be helpful or not, but I recently finished a 401 and wasn't approved and for me the decision of what class to take next is mostly based on class time/teacher. There is a certain teacher I'd love to have for 401, so if I see an upcoming class for them at a time I can take, I will probably re-take 401 vs. the others. Otherwise, I've been waiting to see about any of the 4-week 410-12 classes. Financially, sure I'd rather take 1 of those, but again it really depends on teacher and class time the most for me. My 401 notes weren't NOT specific, but I think 1 or 2 of the 410-level classes could address them so I don't feel like I should hold out for only 1 specific area to focus on in a 4-week class right now.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby alex_newman » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:27 pm

Maybe if the electives were offered on a weekend people would sign up? I may have missed it but I don't remember one ever being offered on the weekend.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby cellabella » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:45 pm

I personally feel as though if I was not able to learn what I needed in an 8 week class, then how could I learn what I need to become a better improvisor in a 4 week class. Also, the fact that their is no class show makes the 410s less appealing.

Honestly, I feel like I have gained more from the elective classes, such as character and musical improv. I know I am a better performer because of these classes and I doubt that would be the case if I had just taken the 410 class that my teacher suggested.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby jeremypurser » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:34 am

From a logistical / scheduling / patience perspective it seems like it's is easier to find another 401 with a teacher you've been wanting to take than to see your specific focus of a 41X come up in a time slot that fits your schedule. I know for my note it would make the most sense to take 411, but looking at the calendar,it looks like the last time it was offered was in July.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby bellenbaum » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:45 pm

The class that most addressed my notes would have been 412, but that was only offered a couple of times and never fit my schedule. I then took a 410, which was really helpful and we got a lot of reps, but felt somewhat lower intensity than a 401. (Some people seemed to be taking that class very casually; we started out with 8 people and by the end we were down to 4.) So rather than holding out for a 412 I decided to retake 401. I don't know if it's the longer duration or the shows or what, but the 401s just seemed to have a different level of camaraderie and commitment, whereas the 410 felt more like an extended workshop. But I'd still be interested in taking 412 in the future if the right one came along.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby f breezy » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:10 pm

I just felt more 401's were offered. I was able to get into class quicker. That simple for me.
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Re: 410-412 vs. repeating 401

Postby donglin2013 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:16 am

I don't know if it's the longer duration or the shows or what, but the 401s just seemed to have a different level of camaraderie and commitment, whereas the 410 felt more like an extended workshop.
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